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まで

までmadeN2neutral

まで

even N — the one thing you didn't expect to be included too

こんな細こまかい話はなし、子供こどもまで知しってるの？

konna komakai hanashi, kodomo made shitteru no?

So details this fine reach even kids? casual

台風たいふうで、電車でんしゃだけでなくバスまで止とまってしまいました。

taifuu de, densha dake de naku basu made tomatte shimaimashita.

Because of the typhoon, not just the trains but even the buses stopped. neutral

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even N — the one thing nobody expected to be included

  1. こんな細こまかい話はなし、子供こどもまで知しってるの？

    konna komakai hanashi, kodomo made shitteru no?

    So details this fine reach even kids? casual

  2. 台風たいふうで、電車でんしゃだけでなくバスまで止とまってしまいました。

    taifuu de, densha dake de naku basu made tomatte shimaimashita.

    Because of the typhoon, not just the trains but even the buses stopped. neutral

  3. あの日ひは、いつも来こない部長ぶちょうまで顔かおを出だした。

    ano hi wa, itsumo konai buchou made kao o dashita.

    That day the ones who never come turned up too — even the manager. neutral

  4. 今回こんかいの件けんでは、お客様きゃくさまにまでご迷惑めいわくをおかけしました。

    konkai no ken de wa, okyakusama ni made go meiwaku o okake shimashita.

    In this matter we caused trouble even for our customers. formal

  5. あの人ひとは、後輩こうはいに対たいしてまで丁寧ていねいな言葉ことばを崩くずさない。

    ano hito wa, kouhai ni taishite made teinei na kotoba o kuzusanai.

    He keeps his language polite even when he is talking to juniors. neutral

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  • までもmademoalternant

    extra も piled on for more force (先生せんせいまでも心配しんぱいしてくれた). It doesn't change the meaning, just the weight.

Notes

Under a negative, まで takes は and denies the extension (そこまでは言いっていない).
"Even X doesn't" is さえ's job, not まで's.